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As a Horde player I am disgusted that we are forced to obey Sylvanas yet again and sacrifice our own allies. I would have loved to be able to join up with Saurfang and give her a middle finger. This bull!@#$ is not why I play Horde. I am 50% on the edge of changing my main to the Alliance. The 'Horde' has about till Kul'tiran big %^- humans are available to show me they are not just blindly following the Lich Queen and that her actions have consequences.
Also the fact that it seems Baine is all happy and has no problem using blight on his own people is a character assassination. Thank god Saurfang stuck to his guns. Would rather have completely lost that fight than resort to those tactics.

Is there a way to skip the Battle for Lordaeron on new characters? Well you might not want to do it a second time, it's possible that some bug would exist for a hunter that wouldn't exist for a warlock, or that the survivability or damage of a warrior going through one would not be the same as a mage. They need people to test this. The event is available to Horde players that finished the Battle for Lordaeron. While the Battle for Lordaeron will be available in the 8.0 pre-patch, The Stormwind Extraction is coming later. It's the Horde's Intro to Battle for Azeroth and Zandalar. High Overlord Saurfang has been captured by Anduin and the Alliance.

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Okay.
Alpha story half finished, if even, what facts?

If even Rexxar and Lillian Voss fully join this Horde of Sylvanas and talk about honor, there's definitely something that we don't know, for now.

If even Rexxar and Lillian Voss fully join this Horde of Sylvanas and talk about honor, there's definitely something that we don't know, for now.

That blizz sucks at writing a decent story? I mean the last decent 'lore' was Jade Forest. Legion and WoD were a !@#$show lore-wise. Also from leaked stuff I read Rexxar is mostly used to get Artifact A that Azshara wants. He wasn't present in Undercity so he didn't see all this bull!@#$. Also Lillian Voss is Horde most likely cuz Alliance don't like corpses.

As a Horde player I am disgusted that we are forced to obey Sylvanas yet again and sacrifice our own allies. I would have loved to be able to join up with Saurfang and give her a middle finger.

Thats the problem with bringing forth a controversial way of warfare such as the Forsaken approach.
I expect Battle for Lordaeron to have some sizeable consequences with the Horde faction. Be them some internal dissent (already had a sample of it with Saurfang leaving), or something along said lines.
That said, this could go two ways:
1) They take Sylvanas further down this road, and make Saurfangs mindset the prevailing 'valid' approach. This route would probably end up with Sylvanas getting killed.
2) This is all part of the 'learning curve' Blizzard implied both Anduin and Sylvanas would have as acting leaders of their factions, and these kind of actions will be toned down and presented as 'mistakes' Sylvanas may want to make up for later down the road.
Now, both routes have some interesting narrative outcomes. Personally, i would argue for the second.
And before i'm called for some 'Sylvanas fanboyism', i must say that the reasons for it are exclusively based around the Forsaken and their culture.
For them, this is normal, and having the story punishing their leader for acting in the way they were written would, alienate not only their race from the lores point of view, but would also be lecturing all the players that opted to play as them.
The secondary reason for me to not want the first scenario, is more about not repeating SoO. But again, i put it second because there is this remote hope about Blizzard handling said kind of stories well enough to make them worthy.
I won't hold my breath waiting for it but...lets just give them the benefit of doubt.
I think there were some hints about Blizzard not wanting to make another Garrosh, but guess we'll see.
For the rest of the post, i agree. Yes, i agree.
I'm not a fan of the Forsaken methods, but i understand them.
Now, no matter what horrible things you do to your enemies (all Horde races have a lengthy history of bloody, horrendous act), but its also quite understandable to get a bit annoyed at having to abandon the allies.
Even if its justified military speaking, those are hard choices that shouldn't be made lightly.
Still, i hope we lack some context about said situation and once BfA comes live, we are given enough reasons to explain why was it imperative to abandon said troops. The least i'm hoping for, is something that made said acts unavoidable.

As a Horde player I am disgusted that we are forced to obey Sylvanas yet again and sacrifice our own allies. I would have loved to be able to join up with Saurfang and give her a middle finger. This bull!@#$ is not why I play Horde. I am 50% on the edge of changing my main to the Alliance. The 'Horde' has about till Kul'tiran big %^- humans are available to show me they are not just blindly following the Lich Queen and that her actions have consequences.
Also the fact that it seems Baine is all happy and has no problem using blight on his own people is a character assassination. Thank god Saurfang stuck to his guns. Would rather have completely lost that fight than resort to those tactics.

You'd have the option to not use the plague and you'd have the option to save your fellow soldiers though.
So, what is forced?

Agreed 100%. But this was a problem early in Legion, with the Kalimdor horde just taking Vol'jin's word and making the banshee queen warchief. What we are seeing now in BFA is just the continuation of that storyline, which got paused in Legion due to the order hall neutrality stuff.
I didn't want to rebel against Garrosh in MoP.. and it took blizzard corrupting him with the sha (like discarding gorehowl for the new shiny purple axe), to make him iredeemable evil, like 'you cant possibly side with him now'.

14/04/2018 23:21Posted by Malighos

As a Horde player I am disgusted that we are forced to obey Sylvanas yet again and sacrifice our own allies. I would have loved to be able to join up with Saurfang and give her a middle finger.
For them, this is normal, and having the story punishing their leader for acting in the way they were written would, alienate not only their race from the lores point of view, but would also be lecturing all the players that opted to play as them.

Those are some good reasons and as you said, I agree, a repeat of SoO would be even worse than now.
The problem with that statement is that already did that to orc players for 2 expansions, and I consider that they are still doing that same very thing now. I know we are not the most popular Horde race (damn pointy ears), but orcs are the second most played horde race. Killing their leader or making them leaderless over and over will have the same result. Especially forcing non-Undead horde players to use the plague on their own allies. That is just bull!@#$.

You'd have the option to not use the plague and you'd have the option to save your fellow soldiers though.
So, what is forced?

Agreed 100%. But this was a problem early in Legion, with the Kalimdor horde just taking Vol'jin's word and making the banshee queen warchief. What we are seeing now in BFA is just the continuation of that storyline, which got paused in Legion due to the order hall neutrality stuff.
I didn't want to rebel against Garrosh in MoP.. and it took blizzard corrupting him with the sha (like discarding gorehowl for the new shiny purple axe), to make him iredeemable evil, like 'you cant possibly side with him now'.

Thank you! They butchered Garrosh so bad in MoP. But now all this !@#$ Sylvanas is doing is arguably worse, but she is still not evil and is a just warchief and yada yada. %^-* that !@#$. Down with the Lich Queen.

14/04/2018 23:43Posted by Zarao

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For them, this is normal, and having the story punishing their leader for acting in the way they were written would, alienate not only their race from the lores point of view, but would also be lecturing all the players that opted to play as them.

Those are some good reasons and as you said, I agree, a repeat of SoO would be even worse than now.
The problem with that statement is that already did that to orc players for 2 expansions, and I consider that they are still doing that same very thing now. I know we are not the most popular Horde race (damn pointy ears), but orcs are the second most played horde race. Killing their leader or making them leaderless over and over will have the same result. Especially forcing non-Undead horde players to use the plague on their own allies. That is just bull!@#$.

You'd have the option to not use the plague and you'd have the option to save your fellow soldiers though.
So, what is forced?

Is that actually an option? All the gameplay I saw online had no indication you can help those orcs other than Saurfang asking you to stop using the plague on your own wounded and Sylvanas asking you to just kill everyone. That would alleviate a bit of this %^-*, but still it's a stupid scenario.
Yes, you can pick to just wear a mask.
and you can can move over to save your fellow horde's with blood drops by clicking on them.

14/04/2018 23:43Posted by Zarao

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For them, this is normal, and having the story punishing their leader for acting in the way they were written would, alienate not only their race from the lores point of view, but would also be lecturing all the players that opted to play as them.

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Those are some good reasons and as you said, I agree, a repeat of SoO would be even worse than now.
The problem with that statement is that already did that to orc players for 2 expansions, and I consider that they are still doing that same very thing now. I know we are not the most popular Horde race (damn pointy ears), but orcs are the second most played horde race. Killing their leader or making them leaderless over and over will have the same result. Especially forcing non-Undead horde players to use the plague on their own allies. That is just bull!@#$.

You'd have the option to not use the plague and you'd have the option to save your fellow soldiers though.
So, what is forced?

Yes, you can pick to just wear a mask.
and you can can move over to save your fellow horde's with blood drops by clicking on them.

That is good to know. The problem with it is that there is no indication from the start you can do that or that your troops will be caught in it. Thus someone can make that decision by mistake and regret it afterwards. They should definetly label those choices more clearly. Just Mask - be a decent person and help your allies. Mask + Weapon - Be scum and kill your own brothers and sisters in arms by spraying them with poisonous gas that will melt their face off.

The problem with that statement is that already did that to orc players for 2 expansions, and I consider that they are still doing that same very thing now.

Agreed. Thats why i feel they are making a grave mistake if they make Saurfang just leave.
Its out of character, it leaves his faction leaderless and accomplishes NOTHING narratively speaking.
I do have some solace given the inclusion of Geyarah and the Mag'har, and i'm curious to know what do they bring as new allied race and how they tie in with the Horde army.
But having Saurfang just leave? Thats bad writing because (a) he would never abandon or forsake the Horde he loved, and (b) he would be leaving leaderless a faction that has already suffered from a leaderless state for two expansions in a row.

So it's like in that 'concentration camp' of Hillsbrad.you can take the shovel and splatter the brains out of the heads of the Humans, or you can actually save them.
I like that Blizzard actually leaves the Horde characters the choice to be morally grey/evil or not..

The problem with that statement is that already did that to orc players for 2 expansions, and I consider that they are still doing that same very thing now.

Agreed. Thats why i feel they are make a grave mistake if they make Saurfang just leave.
Its out of character, it leaves his faction leaderless and accomplishes NOTHING narratively speaking.
I do have some solace given the inclusion of Geyarah and the Mag'har, and i'm curious to know what do they bring as new allied race and how they tie in with the Horde army.
But having Saurfang just leave? Thats bad writing because (a) he would never abandon or forsake the Horde he loved, and (b) he would be leaving leaderless a faction that has already suffered from a leaderless state for two expansions in a row.

Don't get me started on this Geyarah. I understand not getting Durotan, Draka or Grommash. But they should have just used Ariok. He is a bad !@# who would be awesome to receive some love. Last surviving son of Eitrig, sacrificed himself to save the PC at start of WoD and then became this monstrosity that was captured and tortured by Kill'rog. They could have easily tied him to AU Draenor and could have a nice story about him trying to take control of this new bestial side (maybe something like Jackyl and Hyde). or Kash'drakor. Or a bunch of other Orc NPCs we actually fought alongside. The chick that leads the Laughing Skull Clan. Lantresor the awesome Blademaster. Lokra and Kal'gor. Morketh the Blackrock Engineer. And many more.
Also regarding Saurfang he just wouldn't leave the Horde in the hands of that psychopath. I am surprised he didn't end her on the spot. I really hope he comes back and whoops her $%^ back into her place.

The chick that leads the Laughing Skull Clan. Lantresor the awesome Blademaster. Lokra and Kal'gor. Morketh the Blackrock Engineer. And many more.

I would've argued for a 'known' orc leader, stable, sane, and level-headed, but without any kind of tie to the main universe that could end up screwing the timey wimey stuff.
Lantresor is just too much independent, Kraz is just insane, and the rest you named are a bit unknown.
My bet? I would've settled with Rulkan. A mystic Shaman/Priest would've been awesome.
But, i'll just wait and see this Geyarah before i make myself a strong opinion about her.

Lantresor is just too much independent, Kraz is just insane, and the rest you named are a bit unknown.
My bet? I would've settled with Rulkan. A mystic Shaman/Priest would've been awesome.
But, i'll just wait and see this Geyarah before i make myself a strong opinion about her.

Rulkan is Alliance, just imagine the uproar if she led a new Horde allied race. Technically Kash'drakor is dead in our timeline :-p But if we can agree that Dagg, the most epic subtlety ogre rogue would have been the most suited for the job I will be fine with that :D

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Yes, you can pick to just wear a mask.
and you can can move over to save your fellow horde's with blood drops by clicking on them.

That is good to know. The problem with it is that there is no indication from the start you can do that or that your troops will be caught in it. Thus someone can make that decision by mistake and regret it afterwards. They should definitely label those choices more clearly. Just Mask - be a decent person and help your allies. Mask + Weapon - Be scum and kill your own brothers and sisters in arms by spraying them with poisonous gas that will melt their face off.

I mean it is : take Gasmask. or take a gasmask and a plague spreader.

I mean it is : take Gasmask. or take a gasmask and a plague spreader.

Not it isn't That's like saying 'Go to a football match. Take your sports shoes or take your sports shoes and a football.' and then you go there with just your shoes and start playing tennis. There is no connection that not taking a plague spreader means you will be saving your allies.

he would never abandon or forsake the Horde he loved

Unless it became something he did not love, unless it was becoming akin to the Horde that served the Legion. Akama says in the Black Temple trailer: 'I prefer to remember the temple as it used to be, not the abomination it has become.' I believe Saurfang has the same mindset.

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