Europa Universalis 4 Vs Ck2
Posted By admin On 18.09.19Europa Universalis 4 Vs Ck2 Rating: 6,7/10 6445 votes
Total War: Rome 2 vs. Europa Universalis IV. Just for the record I would like to explain the difference between CK2 and Europa Universalis for those unfamiliar with these games. CK2 is a dynasty centered game in medieval times, while EU4 is a nation building game in the renaissance.
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- Senior MemberPosts: 1,631Registered UsersI have to say, I wouldn't mind trying a real time campaign map on a total war title.
I feel like the Paradox games are a little overly complicated for me. The learning curve is too steep and I simply don't have the time to try and learn them. It would probably take me a month of trial and error to figure most of it out and, quite frankly, it sounds too much like work.
That being said, CA could learn from Paradox and try to improve the overall flow of the campaign map. From what I've seen of CK2 and read about EUIII and EUIV, the diplomacy and general campaign strategy (forming alliances, moving troops, making war/peace) is far improved over Rome 2.
Also, I like the way the map is broken out into smaller territories. I think CA made a step in the right direction with the province system in Rome 2 (huge thumbs up for that one, CA) but we need to move further down that road. I would prefer it if Italia would represent the same geographic area, but contain maybe 10 regions with a provincial capital, one or two minor cities, and the rest towns and villages. Victory conditions should basically be hegemony over a large area, but not full world domination. With a map like this, you may spend several decades fighting over a single province. In a medieval era game, victory for England could be submission of Scotland, Ireland, France and possibly parts of Spain and Germany. That victory condition, with such a huge campaign map, may take several centuries. I feel weird having a full scale invasion of Egypt while playing as England after having subjugated 2/3 of Europe, and I'm still not close to my victory conditions. - edited November 2013Really tempted to give EU 4 a go, thanks for the heads up.
- edited November 2013Are two very different games, i need both of the paradox games and total war ones actually.
We can compare these titles only from one point of view, their relase status and quality. From that point of view EUIV deserve a prize . - edited November 2013I bought EU4 at release, it's by far a superior game. I love the Total war series, but EU has always provided a greater challenge and experience in all areas except battles for me. Despite the poor a.i, i do love Total war's battles.
- edited November 2013They are completely different genres, Rome 2 is an action game, EU4 is a strategy game. Difficult to compare them.Flag0·Like
- edited November 2013They are completely different genres, Rome 2 is an action game, EU4 is a strategy game. Difficult to compare them.
The sad part is that TW used to be strategy games. But yeah, rome 2 is an action game. - edited November 2013I bought EUIV when it came out, and played enough to get at least somewhat comfortable with the mechanics. It's a very good game, without Rome 2's fatal flaw of reaching beyond its grasp. It works by not trying to do too much. But it doesn't punch as many of my personal gaming buttons as my favorite Total War games (everything except Empire, basically). I think it's the 'exotic' nature of those games set in more alien times and cultures.
With a game set in the Classical/Ancient Roman period, I run online to Wiki or my home library to look up interesting things I didn't know about the historical conflicts, the battles, the armor, the weapons. The Classical/Roman era is just a more interesting world and time period for me. I can overlook flawed campaign AI -- up to a point -- to play a game in that world. And I do enjoy the tactical battles, simply because no one else is offering that. But I think it's mainly the appeal of the more exotic setting and vastly different cultures, compared to a world and time period I'm more familiar with in EUIV. - Senior MemberPosts: 1,036Registered UsersEU4 is far superior along with Crusader Kings 2
Sure they don't have those pretty real time battles, but the strategy, the replayability, the depth, the possibilities, the map are a thousand time superior than in Rome 2. They are very difficult to master, it's very difficult to win but it's so freakin rewarding to achieve something in those games that it blows my mind. in Rome 2 i'm not really proud of me when i crush a useless AI on the battlefield..
Imagine that : You start a campaign on Crusader kings in 867, finish it (if you can) on 1453. From here, you can convert your saved game and continue your story in EU4..400 more years ! you've got a thousand year of history to create ! Totally free to do as you wish !
In fact, wars can get very exciting and exhausting in EU4. You don't have that much control on the battle obviously (even though you have quite a lot actually), but the way wars are handled is very well made.
Final word, give it a try, you might not like it in the first try, but give it a good 10hours, once you start to get how it works, you'll be sucked into it !Flag0·Like - Senior MemberPosts: 1,601Registered UsersThe fact that Total War has real time battles makes it superior overall for someone like me.
However, based upon what each game aims to achieve EU IV and CK II are miles - and I really mean miles - better than Rome II. The game mechanics, whilst not always perfect, are in depth, innovative and well executed in the game. Can't say the same for Rome II whatsoever. - edited November 2013I've always veered towards TW and neglected Paradox games just because I really like having real time battles.
But since the battles in Rome II are so horrible and going in a pure arcade RTS direction with added bugs, I can't see a reason not to switch to just playing Paradox games for the superior campaign element. - edited November 2013I bought it too. IMO even with Rome 2's huge issues I just find TW games more enjoyable even if they are flawed.Flag0·Like
- edited November 2013Just for the record I would like to explain the difference between CK2 and Europa Universalis for those unfamiliar with these games. CK2 is a dynasty centered game in medieval times, while EU4 is a nation building game in the renaissance.
Owning and having played both games (and previous titles) I can recommend both. You could probably also pickup EU3 and all of its expansions for a fair price. - Senior MemberPosts: 1,575Registered UsersCA really needs to do something about battle speeds in Rome II.
For example, I had - and this is my latest, post-patch7 campaign - a battle which ran from start to finish, and in which 2,500 men died, inside three and-a-half minutes. If the tactical battles are Total War's trump card over its competitors, then it needs to make the most of it.
The AI is improving, the controls are mostly pretty slick by now, the graphics are lovely; but the whole spectacle is over far too quickly, leaving less and less room for tactical manoeuvre and swings in the tide of battle. No other game is competing with CA's tactical battles yet, but, even that being the case, their appeal is beginning to wane for me. There just isn't enough time to enjoy them properly, and it feels lacking. - edited November 2013Campaign map, EU Wins easy.
Battles .uh..well.EU.has.no.battles..it has 2 bars going up and down.it doesn't even have the old game viewing screens where you don't control anything and just watch your little men on the field duke it out and go RAWR.
I want to like Paradox series.but i can't enjoy a game that doesn't let me to enjoy battles in well any fashion outside of a little bar going up and down=/.
Although in a 'What i'd recommend note' i wouldn't recommend either game lol
I'd recommend Medieval 2 Total War Kingdoms and Crusader Kings 2.
Suggesting people pay 60$ for a new game series they haven't tried before is scary. - edited November 2013This year there were two games I was looking forward to buying: Rome 2 and EU4. Burned by previous experiences (hello TW Empire!) I refuse to pre-order any game, so I waited till a few days after release. Obviously I didn't buy Rome after reading about what a mess it is and trying it out on a friend's computer (CA need to hang their head in shame for their marketing and pushing pre-orders the way they did), but I did eventually buy EU4.
EU4 turned out to be absolutely amazing, the best game I've played in a long time, and a real example of how a very complex game can still be polished upon release. In a way, it is the opposite from the Rome 2 release; perhaps not perfect, but clearly the work of love by developers who play and enjoy their own games, rather than simply a Sega driven money franchise. And for those who give CA credit for patching: Paradox also continues to patch and add content continuously, but they do that to actually improve an already very good basis. That deserves much more credit in my opinion, because there is no absolute need to do so, whereas CA wouldn't sell anything ever again if they don't.
By the way, even though they are different in many ways obviously, they definitely attract similar kinds of players. Anyone that I know that likes the Total War series also likes Paradox, and vice versa. - edited November 2013apples and oranges. There is no better, they both appeal to different kinds of people.Rig
CPU: i5 3570k 3.4GHz
GPU: Radeon RX 480 8GB
RAM: 8GB 1600mhz - edited November 2013What EU4 and paradox does for me, is show me how i want totalwar to be! The blending of these two series would be to good!! The AI and depth of Paradox with the visuals and realtime battles of totalwar = me in heaven!
Tobad CA seems focused on making stuff look pretty and shiny, without working to actually make it good! (Ai, meaningfull diplomacy, buggy, shallow, +++)
In my mind CA can learn a LOT from ParadoxFlag0·Like - Senior MemberMelton Mowbray, Leicestershire, EnglandPosts: 1,512Registered Usersapples and oranges. There is no better, they both appeal to different kinds of people.
Actually for a while the TW series looked like it was going to slowly turn into a game similar to EU4 but with real time battles.. sadly after Med 2 with the release of empire most people realised we where not going to get a realistic campaign with real time battles until another developer decide to.'Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum'
'Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe' - edited November 2013Subjectively, you might like on series over the other. I enjoy both CKII and the TW series (with the notable exception of Rome II, which is just absolute rubbish).
Objectively, there can be no doubt. CKII and EUIV are superior games. They have less bugs, are infinitely more complex and deep and they are finished. No features cut, no evil marketing, no design flaws that completely ruin the game. In CKII you feel really attached to your dynasty. Kind of makes sense, since it's your job to make the dynasty survive throughout the middle ages. Not only that, but you'll want to increase your power, make allies through marriage, wage war, seize the throne and then keep it. It's a brilliant game and it's very immersive.
The complete opposite of Rome II.Flag0·Like - Senior MemberPosts: 1,036Registered UsersYou'll find that paradox games are much more historically accurate as well.Flag0·Like
- edited November 2013I have played Rome 2 extensively and I disliked most of the time I spent playing it. Yesterday I bought EU4 when it was on sale. I honestly didn't think I was going to like it but after only playing a couple of hours, I can say that EU4 is what a true strategy game should be like. Every little thing counts in EU4, but in Rome 2 I could break alliances and declare war on all my neighbors and still win because it's an easy game even on the highest difficulties.
Now that we're done briefly comparing gameplay, let's compare music. The music in Rome 2 is trash in comparison with EU4. From now on, I will turn down Rome 2's music and listen to EU4's music while playing Rome 2, that is if I ever leave EU4 and get back to Rome 2.
If you don't have EU4, go out and buy it NOW! Stop wasting your time waiting for CA to finish a stupid game while there is a masterpiece out there waiting for you to play it.
When did you compare the games?
Or do you just like flapping your lips so the cool kids will accept you? - Senior MemberPosts: 1,157Registered UsersYou'll find that paradox games are much more historically accurate as well.
This is true, really adds to the immersion. - edited November 2013I also bought EU4 on steam sale and it has been my first Paradox game.
At first, I was almost completely overwhelmed with the game as it has like 250+ factions and spans 400+ years. You can be whoever whenever you want which is pretty cool. EU4 is just better for me in every single way except for the battles, which the TW series has no rivals
I will play EU4 more and come back to Rome 2 for some sweet battles from time to time. I can't see me starting any Rome 2 campaings until we see some changes to Rome 2 or a greek expansion with a greatly expanded campaign map of the Peloponnesian war. I'd play the s*** out of that.'The Gods are on the side of the stronger' - Tacitus - Senior MemberPosts: 1,092Registered Users
make sure you check your message setting. Each people have different level of need for information and almost all paradox game has option to change your message setting. I even set a message alert for troop movement because I am such a control freak lolz.I briefly played EU3 and didn't like the hundreds of popups. I could have spent more time with it but didn't find the real-time, however slow, aspect of the campaign game appealing. - Senior MemberPosts: 590Registered UsersFirstly i've got to admit I am enjoying modded Rome 2 very much now.
I just missed out yesterday getting EU:Rome Gold (EU Rome + exspansion) Have played with demo. The politics and such in that is what we should have had in Rome 2. Currently own a few older Paradox titles. Love Europa Universalis 2, Crusader Kings 1 and Victoria Revolutions.
Crusader Kings 1 is a deceptively simple but brilliant simulation of feudal warfare and politics. It allowed me to get around my head the concepts of the real time strategy feel of Paradox games. EU3 is still worth it.
If I hadn't have bought Rome 2 and also EU2 I would have got EU4 by now - edited November 2013I was playing Rome 2 until yesterday so I did play patch 7 and all that ****.
I posted this thread on the Total War forums and yet most people are agreeing that EU4 is better than Rome 2. I wonder if anyone will side with Rome 2 on Paradox's forums. - edited November 2013Paradox gets money from Me every year and will continue to get money every year because they put out good strategy games. I have EU4 and yes it is superior to RTW2 as per the campaign map and Campaign AI but the combat is just two sprites going at it. RTW2 has some good points but seriously they do need to fix it because if Paradox ever adds combat like total war games its over for CA.
- edited November 2013One question: will my campaigns always end up with the same nations being big because of the game being historically accurate or will i find a unique campaign everytime?
- Senior MemberLansing, MIPosts: 7,137Registered UsersOne question: will my campaigns always end up with the same nations being big because of the game being historically accurate or will i find a unique campaign everytime?
Very much unique. For instance (this is CKII, a sister product), I was the Byzantine Empire, and was taking Italy to remake the Roman Empire, when Brittany (that north-west corner of France) took over most of France itself. 50 years later, when I was still gobbling up Italy, they had married into the Royal Family of Leon, and in what I can only imagine was through assassination, took the throne. They started to war with the Kingdoms of Ireland, Scotland, and England.
It was nuts.
Now, this isn't to say that Kingdoms that you recognize won't be there. Once Brittany amassed enough of France's landmass, the Duke of Brittany declared himself the King of France, and the old French King was stripped of his title and was then the Duke of Burgundy. So, France is still there, only instead of Bourbon, it was the Brittany Royal Family.
In other words, France will still be there (because the title for controlling the landmass that is now France, is the King of France), it just might not be the same royal family at all.Thrones of Britannia: 69/100
Warhammer II: 73/100
Warhammer: 79/100
Attila: 70/100 [Age of Charlemagne: 72/100]
Rome II: 49/100
Shogun II: 93/100 [Fall of the Samurai: 95/100]
Napoleon: 58/100
Empire: 53/100
Medieval II: 90/100 [Kingdoms: 90/100]
Rome I: 88/100
Medieval I: 92/100
Shogun I: 84/100 - Senior MemberPosts: 131Registered UsersFlag0·Like